Author	Topic:   Suggestions for by laws
Kevin M.	posted 10/4/05 2:04 AM     Here's my proposal for sports fines. I think it may be a bit extreme to ask people to pay $5 for each time they miss a sport without finding a replacement. How about we only fine individuals if the team they're on has to forfeit due to them not being there. And instead of it being $5 how about making it $10 per instance.
Kristin G.	posted 10/4/05 6:25 AM     Kevin, I think it is a good idea to only make them play if the team has to forfeit. I haven't done sports so I don't know if it is a big deal if you are short-sounds like some of the teams still won. As far as the $5 vs. $10, how much do we pay per game if we break it down? $10 may be too much??thoughts?
Jody	posted 10/5/05 4:32 PM     We as a chapter spend a lot of money on sports. I don't think $5 is too much for missing a game/not finding a replacement. When you sign up for a sport, you are signing up knowing you are responsible for showing up.
Kevin M.	posted 10/5/05 5:43 PM     The reason I thought $10 would be good, is to make sure that if it happens, it only happens once. People may be willing to miss a few games if the fine is only $5 vs. $10. And sometimes a person might miss, and not have to pay because the team didn't forfiet. I think $10 may even by too little of a fine. Comments?
Kevin M.	posted 10/5/05 5:52 PM     Here's a few more ideas for changes. I think we should change fundraising events from 1 per semester, to 2 per year. This will allow for a little more flexability. Also, something needs to be done about brotherhood night and Formal initiation requirements. Any comments?
Ryan P	posted 10/6/05 4:24 AM     As for the sports fines, first of all there has to be absolute clarity as to who is on what teams. For volleyball for instance there is still uncertainty as to who is on what team. VBall was very frustrating this week when nobody showed up for one team and both teams lost b/c of it (we donated two girls to the other team and played short a player in a close loss). How about a $5 first miss/$15 second miss/$30 third miss, etc.? Just an idea.
Ryan P	posted 10/6/05 4:32 AM     As for the fundraising events (e.g. Xcel) I still personally think REQUIRING 2 events per semester is a lot. Unless we are in dire need of money, I just don't like this idea. Hey, if you want to do more 1 per semester that is great (and in the spring/summer when things cool down a little I might do 3 who knows). Just because we don't require more than 1 per semester doesn't mean you CAN'T do more than 1. But ultimately these events are not really beneficial to me/us in a pharmacy or community service aspect at all, it would basically all be for the $$. If $$ is the primary issue, then we really need to calculate how much we want to raise per semester and then figure out how many events that would require. If we are banking on ~$800/Xcel event, do we really need everyone doing 2 of those per semester anyways? I have lots of other stuff (as we all do) going on with MPSA, school work, work, and other PDX events that I really don't think piling on extra fundraising events is beneficial or a good idea.
Sarah	posted 10/6/05 5:29 PM       I am in favor of requiring two fundrasing events per semester. It's my understanding that one event must be an excel event and the other may be excel or another event like a bake sale. The second fundraising requirement would most likely not require a large time committment. The money that we raise by requiring two events will ultimately help us as a chapter or to meet national requirements and goals. For example, the money donated from the first bake sale will be donated to St. Jude's, a good cause and a suggestion from the national office. We could also use the extra money to further our professional topic display to reach/interest more of the community. Overall, I believe it's in our best interest to make sure we are financially secure and that we make the most of our opportunities to reach out to the community (and have a little fun too:> )
Kevin M.	posted 10/6/05 5:51 PM     I think Ryan and Sarah misinterpretted what I was trying to say. I don't want to add any extra concessions/professional events. I simply want to change it from 1 per semester, to two per year. This way if for some reason someone can't get one done in the first semester, they can do two the next semester for a total of 2 per year. This is kind of what some people have been doing already, but it is not stated this way in the bylaws.
Ryan P	posted 10/6/05 9:53 PM     Thanks for the clarification Kevin, I totally agree with that for the aforementioned reasons, with the emphasis that you are always able to do more than 2 events per year if you feel so inclined.
Alyssa Sahlmen	posted 10/10/05 5:46 AM       I also like the idea of changing xcel events to per year-more flexibility. I also don't think players should have to pay a fine unless they can't find a replacement and the game is forfeited. I also am wondering how much PDX pays per player/team for the year? I assumed not more than 20-30$ per person to play?and if you work that out over many games--- it's really only about 5$. I don't think there's a need for the fee to be higher than 5$- unless I'm totally wrong about the amount PDX forks out for sports.
Kristin	posted 10/10/05 6:11 AM     I think we should have to do 2 excel events per year and 2 non-excel events per year. It is not that big of a time commitment (the non-excel ones).
Kevin M.	posted 10/10/05 8:34 PM     I don't know about having 2 non xcel fundraising events. Granted the time committment is not that much, but there might be a problem mustering up enough events for everyone to participate in.
Anna	posted 10/10/05 10:24 PM     As long as we're talking about fundraising, let me clarify some things. We are REQUIRED to complete 7 Excel concessions per year in order to get paid for training (my guess ~$500-$1000). Events included are training (general or manager) or working a concession. Right now the bylaws mention 1 fundraising event per semester. I'm concerned if we allow flexibility of when events are completed we will not fulfill our contract, because I know many people will procrastinate until the end of spring semester and that equals lots of stress for the fundraising committee. To avoid this, I think we should have an option of completing both events in fall. As for NON-Excel events, this would include the Yard Sale and bake sales (or if we have other ideas). An unlimited number of people can help with these. I know last year we had a core group of people that worked and baked, so it ended up being a lot of work for those few people. Last year we generated $100-$150 per sale. If we want to continue bake sales, we should contribute as a whole fraternitiy, and potentially make more $. Another option is to not do the sales at all. Given the small time committment, I think we should be required to work 1 NON-Excel event per semester . . . we could generate another 500+ dollars for the year :)
Katie D	posted 10/13/05 8:25 PM     Sports...We spend about $400-$600 per semester on sports. There are some people who play multiple sports so it's hard to split it up per person. As for not finding subs...that kinda sucks. I know that I look forward to playing sports and having fun. In soccer, it is not fun to play an entire game with no subs when you are tired already. I agree that the main issue is having to forfeit and therefore wasting fraternity money, but I think respect for your fellow brothers when you have committed to a team is another issue. $5 is pretty reasonable I think; it is stiff enough to make an impact and cheap enough not to be too harmful to the pocketbook.As for fundraising, I'm definitely not the biggest fan of doing Excel events, but I have to agree with Anna on this one. People will put it off, then we'll make a statement at the meeting about needing to do more events to fulfill our contract and someone else will be stuck doing extra Excel events for the person who is 'too busy' to fulfill their fundraising commitment. The amount of money we make from these events far surpasses any bake sale, yard sale, etc that we do. It's worth the sacrafice and small amount of micromanagement that comes with it. We have a fundraising committee for a reason, and if they find it in our best interest to do one of these events per semester, I'll leave it up to them.

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