Author	Topic:   Impartiality in Forums
Noelia (Moderator)	posted 4/8/04 8:44 PM       To Nora and whoever wants to read: It makes me so angry when I see things are are not fair, like maybe happens to all of you too. Of course, we cannot change the world but at least we can make everybody listen to our opinion. That's why I created this forum for. I dont care if nobody reads it, and I dont care if I only have few people, it's a place where I can say what I think freely. I am no one to judge Nora, and in fact what she does, is pretty normal. It's obvious that forum is not impartial, because Nora is not impartial. Argentines are constantly silenced while jerks like Gus Gags are allowed to say whatever they want against us. Not that I care too much, and not that I cant fight him back, I showed everybody Gus is just a hipocryte, who, away of Nora's protection, is only a wet puppy crying for his wife and kids. But watching argentine postings deleted, and now I start to think they are completely unfairly deleted, like it happened to me, accused of lack of respect, makes me very angry. And then, with all the respect Nora deserves, I dont see how she can work in intermediation when she obviously supports one part over the other. That behaviour, more than solve things, I think, makes it worse. Here, I want everybody to know that I AM NOT IMPARTIAL. I clearly support Argentina (my country) on its claim, but that doesnt mean that I am going to delete any posting. It just means that I am going to defend this side with all I have. I find very difficult, if not impossible in human nature to be impartial. It's just that the mind, always has its own point of view and nobody can't help that. We have to be very careful about this because, in such a delicate topic, like a war, where innocent people from both sides died, claiming to be impartial when you are not, could bring big problems. They say we speak from anger and frustration. And that's true. But not the anger and frustration of losing a war, but the anger and frustration of being constantly attacked just for expressing our point of view. That's not being impartial, that's being abusive. Money rules the world, we all know that, and those who paid for the forums, have the rights to help win the party they choose. This forum I made, and also the hosting, were completely free. And since I really believe that we, argentines, can demonstrate we are right peacefully, I won't delete any posting. Those who want to respectfully post here, are very welcome, and those who want troubles, I am waiting for them. I just want to make everybody know that we are not going to give up any claim, no matter how stronger the enemy is, and the help from other countries it has. And moreover, nobody will silence us.----Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod,com http;//www.geocities.com/nxz1978
Javier	posted 4/9/04 3:26 AM       Dear Noelia, I fully agree with your posting and I'm very greatfull for the task you are carrying out.I would just clarify something. You wrote as follows: " (...) with all the respect Nora deserves (...)". She is an Argentinean 'moderating' a forum where she systematically bannish or persecute those who defend the Argentinean position (no matter their nationality) while allows ANYTHING to the British side, including fraud. I don't think even her masters respect her (most probably, they despise her). So, the formulae "all the respect Nora deserves" really means "no respect"Best Regards - JavierPS: what name is given to those who work for their country's enemy?
Noelia (Moderator)	posted 4/9/04 10:02 PM       Dear Javier: You are right, but somehow the fault is ours.... because people keep posting there... You saw what happened when they kicked you out of the first forum and none of us posted again: it became a british-british forum and nobody posted a word... They had to let you back (at least for a while) to make us come back...la union hace la fuerza .... http://espanglishfriends.tripod,com http;//www.geocities.com/nxz1978
Gabriel Marchevsky	posted 4/9/04 10:10 PM       Hola Noelia y Javier: Esta demas decir que estoy de acuerdo con ustedes, pero tambien creo necesario hacer una observacion. Aunque la frustracion de sentirse discriminado(a) fue la razon de empezar este foro, esa discriminacion no debe ser la razon fundamental para su existencia. Con todo respeto a Nora, que CARAJO tiene que ver ella con las Malvinas? Acaso ella es propietaria de las islas, de los derechos argentinos sobre ellas, de nuestra forma de sentir o de nuestra idiosincrasia? Probablemente hubo en el pasado de Nora una tal alineacion de planetas que le han permitido alcanzar un estado superior de conocimiento, en el cual ella pudo descubrir que nosotros (los argentinos) somos tan inferiores e imbeciles que no merecemos respeto. La gran mayoria de nosotros no vamos a tener la suerte de recibir tan espectacular iluminacion divina en el transcurso de nuestras miserables vidas de ciudadanos de tercera clase, y por lo tanto, creo que debemos dialogar solo con aquellos que deseen dialogar con nosotros. Por que no nos olvidamos de ese foro mayormente anti-argentino y utilizamos esta oportunidad de poder finalmente discutir sin censura y realmente convertir a ESTE foro en lo que aquel otro nunca fue? Saludos,Gabriel
Simon (hombreingles)	posted 4/9/04 11:01 PM       It has been very interesting reading the various posts and i admire Noelias spirit and passion with which she states Argentinas claim to the malvinas/Falklands. i understand that in Argentina, people including children at school are constantly reminded that the malvinas are Argentinian. Not so in the UK, to be quite honest, nobody except the politicians and a few exceptions give a damn about the Falklands. Alot of people dont even know where they are, they are too busy working for a living, trying to pay their bills here and dont really give a damn. After looking at both sides of the argument(spanish and english and french history) at the claim and counterlaim, I find the claims for the Falklands/Malvinas/Malouines are valid.You are absolutley right when you say the world is controled by the money men. The Politicians are puppets to the Rockefellors etc of this world. Read anything about the Bildeberg Group and you will see what i mean. All of the top politicians in the world are vetted by the Bildeberg Group, Thatcher, Blair, Bush, Clinton, Shroeder. Any wars between countries are carefully organised by the money men. If you look at all the surrounding facts and i dont mean the obvious ones that appear in press, you will see a bigger picture.Thankyou/Gracias
Noelia (Moderator)	posted 4/10/04 1:27 AM       Hey Simon, how are you? You dont have to agree with us just because you're my friend ;) (kidding) Welcome to the forum and thanks for your opinion, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod,com http;//www.geocities.com/nxz1978
Simon (hombreingles)	posted 4/10/04 5:20 PM       Hi Noelia, its always a pleasure to speak to you to. If i am agreeing with you its pure coincidence. Even though i am coming from a British perspective it is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that what appears to be true turns out to be complete rubbish. I have an open mind about most situations and try not to let my emotions rule my head. Funnily enough people use the phrase 'it takes 2 to tango' here in the UK, it was only when i got to argentina that i found out that men actually used to dance the tango 'solo' years ago in La Boca, so that quashed that falicy.Yes its good to have a place where opinions are expressed openly without bias, and once i have warmed up and i have tested my opinions with facts i will be back for more. I really enjoy this web site.
Noelia (Moderator)	posted 4/10/04 10:06 PM       Simon, you dont have to post facts only, your opinion is welcome as well, the exchange of opinions and points of view (in a friendly way) is what helps to understand each other and find a peacefull solution to the conflict. Except for someone called Gus Gags, whose idea of friendhip is to make argentines swallow an atomic nuke, the rest are very good people. Mostly from ARgentina, - we were kind of kicked off other forum where we used to post - but you will find also people from the UK and the Falklands. Again, welcome and feel free to say whatever you want. Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod,com http;//www.geocities.com/nxz1978
Javier	posted 4/10/04 10:35 PM       Hi, welcome to the forum!It seems to me you completely got me! What is the "Bildeberg Group"? I've never heard about it!(*)Best regards - Javier(*) It makes me remember the description of Proffessor Moriarty on "The Final Problem": to be perfectly unknown was precisely the genious of it!

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