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| Author | Topic: Dishonor |
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Copied from Ernie (Moderator) |
posted 3/20/04 7:20 PM
Nestor, El censo oficial de 2002 dice que hay 25 Argentinos que vive en las Malvinas. Sería muy interesante oír sus historias. El incidente de María Abriani era una deshonra y no se debe haber permitido para suceder. Saludos, http://espanglishfriends.tripod.com http://www.geocities.com/nxz |
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Copied from Ernie (Moderator) |
posted 3/20/04 7:23 PM
ErnieIs it a dishonor to be born in Argentina? Can you really blame a family and their baby for love each other and have a children in a territory who was your enemy more than 20 years ago, but not anymore? We will never solve little topics like the flights thing if you still think that way....This proves we are right when we say it's the Falkland Islanders the ones who dont want to have a relationship with us....--- Regards, Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod.com http://www.geocities.com/nxz |
| Ernest Spencer |
posted 3/21/04 9:29 PM
Noelia,No of course it is not a dishonour to be born in Argentina I would never say that.I was personally ashamed of the way the young couple were treated by the relevant authorities in the Falklands and I know that many people there did not agree with what was done, so do not despair, we are not all dishonourable people. I make no excuses for what happened.I do think however that many Falklands people fear Argentina, the anti Falklands actions that Argentina takes and their attitude of refusing to recognise officially that Islanders have no rights.You might imagine how you might feel if you lived next door to the USA and they treated you in the same way. I do not think you would be very welcoming would you?It is clear that the USA is not a great favourite in Argentina for one reason or another so if you imagine how you feel about them and then how you would feel if they invaded your country.If you think about this scenario then you will get some idea where Falkland Islanders attitude to Argentina comes from.Please understand also that Falkland Islanders are not English, or in my opinion even much like English people. They are first and last Falkland Islanders. Any other allegiance are just circumstantial.I apologise also for my poor Spanish, I hope I can improve it in due course.By the way how can Javir know my 4 digit code for this Forum. Best wishes,Ernie |
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Noelia (Moderator) |
posted 3/21/04 11:14 PM
Dear ErnieI know what you mean. I understand they fear us for what happened but, if they give us a little chance, if they would talk to us, like you're doing, and get to know the people, they would see we are not the military government that sent us to war. In fact, even the soldiers that went to war, although they took it as an honor to defend the country, did not agree with such a madness like starting a war. This is simply not the way we argentines like to solve things. We may be corrupt, we may be a little irresponsible about paying debts, but we are NOT agressive and we dont like war, here or anywhere.About the code thing, I think it's the same code for everybody (3123), this forum must be really easy to hack.. Regards, Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod.com http://www.geocities.com/nxz |
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Noelia (Moderator) |
posted 3/21/04 11:20 PM
Sorry I forgot to say something. There is a BIG, HUGE difference between Argentina and the USA thank God. First of all, we started the war under a military de facto government, not under a democracy like the United States. Secondly the majority of the people were against the war, and most americans support them. Third, american troops killed thousands of innocent people, included women and children, not only because of the war, but because their racism against middle eastern people made them do so. How many Falkland Islanders died or were seriously injured by Argentine troops during our war? Did we attack civilian targets, in the Falklands, or in the UK? No.. So, even try to compare our war with all the wars where the United States participate or start it's like an insult. Only thinking about this, makes me feel more and more proud of my people. Best Wishes-- Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod.com http://www.geocities.com/nxz |
| Ernest Spencer |
posted 3/22/04 12:02 AM
Noelia,The truth is that it is your Government that will not talk to Islanders, they will not even recognise that they exist as a separate entity. Recognition would bring much better cooperation and would not damage your claim in any way.The people who live there were not 'implanted' as is sometimes suggested by Javier and others. They went there just like the immigrants to Argentina did to find a better life and create a new home. It is just using false semantics to suggest that they are different to European immigrants that also went to Aregentina and elswhere. They deserve to be treated with respect which is not a status accorded to them officially by Argentina. It is the official attitude that is important. From my own knowledge Islanders and Argentines actually get on very well together on a personal level. There are of course always a few lunatics on both sides who are an exception to this rule. Also some Islanders were ejected from the Islands at the time of your invasion and others, who were vocal against the invaders were removed from their homes and placed under arrest. This is well known. They will not forget this easily, probably never.True they did not kill any Islanders but this was more a matter of good luck than good management. You did not come with an olive branch you came with guns and force. Your soldiers also destroyed the Marine barracks in their initial attack with phosphor grenades. It was just lucky for the Marines that they had deployed elswhere. Also your forces fired into Government house with live rounds in their attack so it really was just luck (or poor shooting) that allows you to say there were no local casualties. (One of the Marines was a member of my family at the time by the way.)You need to rethink attitudes and try a different approach if you want real results.Regards,Ernie |
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Noelia (Moderator) |
posted 3/22/04 7:21 PM
ErnieSaying that we didnt kill any of you was a matter of luck, it's like saying that the United States destroyed Irak "by accident". It is true that our government (present and the military one of 1982) make things incorrectly...But, like ALL the governments in the world, they keep seated in their comfortable chairs while people go to fight. Nobody was injured in the islands because WE ARE NOT LIKE THAT.... Obliged to go to war, we tried to do it the most humanly possible, and you cannot deny us that fact. If you feel "insulted" because during a war some of you were expulsed of the islands, then you dont have any idea what's a war like at all. Do you have any idea how many innocents die in wars started by governments? Port Stanley could have become Baghdad....is that what you wanted? I think that, after all the madness, you were pretty lucky that the enemy was Argentina and not other more agressive countries. Sometimes, the Falkland Islanders behave a little childish..... it's a WAR what we're talking about, and they feel "insulted" because they had to leave? Argentina has lots of bad things that it should correct.......but it has also lots of good things that cant be denied.----regards Noelia http://espanglishfriends.tripod.com http://www.geocities.com/nxz |
| El Piloto |
posted 4/6/04 9:36 AM
Here we go again, First of all Falklands islanders are british, why? becouse they are part of the Englands budget. Malvinas is a bilateral problem between UK and Argentina, we are protesting part of our territory, not the occupants, they can stay or leave |
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