Author	Topic:   The winner is...
wanting to Know	posted 1/11/06 4:55 PM     Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't PVKY win the athens Quiz? If they did, did they not have to beat every team that made to the finals, some of them multiple times. If so whats the big deal? At this level of quizzing any team that makes it that far in the tournament is capable of winning, but only one does. That means that they are the best team at that particular time, no matter what another team may be capable of doing, they didn't do it.
princess	posted 1/12/06 3:22 AM     Yeah, PVKY did win Athens. But i'm not exactly sure i understand your point, can you explain further?
Wanting to know	posted 1/12/06 4:09 PM     My point was this. It seems that everyones making excuses as to why that Florida didin't win. When the simple fact is they didn't. PVKY,Valley,and Old Paths where all better than them that day. If someone likes Florida and thinks they should have won thats fine,admit that and go on, but don,t make it seem as though the only one worthy of winning is your favorite team, and that the only reason that another team won was only because that the other team gave it away, out of the "palm of their hand." It could be that other teams were better prepared. What do you think?
Jesse Startup	posted 1/12/06 5:33 PM       First of all, I feel like it is my duty to not only report the outcome of a tournament, but also reasons why things happened. An article that reads "FBC-CF 4th, OLD PATHS 3rd, VALLEY 2nd, PVKY 1st" in my opinion is not that interesting. I gave reasons why FBC-CF lost, why Old Paths lost, and why PVKY won. 2nd, consider my position as a "reporter." The simple facts: FBC-CF was 1st seed in the tournament, FBC-CF had only one middle win in the entire day prior to the finals, both Old Paths and FBC-CF had no losses, but in quizzes where they faced each other, FBC-CF got the high win. Walking into the gym for the final rounds, what do you think I was expecting? What do you think the other spectaters were expecting? But, the first two rounds in the gym, FBC-CF lost to all three teams in there. Obviously the other teams WERE better prepared, as they had perhaps the endurance, or maybe the will to survive, whereas FBC-CF did not. If I did not make these thoughts clear in my article, I'm sorry, but I thought it was implied. Reread my article if you are still confused. Jesse
here's a thought	posted 1/12/06 6:23 PM     I'll be the first to admit that most people in Florida favor FBC-CF. But that only makes sense. Most people in Kentucky are biased toward PVKY. I believe that you may be reading a little too far into this one though. I think everybody understands that the best team won NYC. They were our number one team before the NYC. Since they won the NYC, they'll still be our # 1 team after the NYC.
here's a thought is	posted 1/12/06 6:24 PM     david poston. Sorry meant to put that on their.
Princess	posted 1/12/06 6:24 PM     I guess i agree with you. There were some teams that were more prepared than others. And i think those teams won. But which FL team are you talking about? I think there were like 3-4. If your talking FBCCF with Abby on it, I couldn't say whether they should have won or not. I didn't stay to see the last 4 rounds. But i do agree with you that people should concede if they lose. otherwise its bad sportsmanship.
JD	posted 1/13/06 4:43 AM     I don't think that's quite the issue- well, maybe it is, but the way I look at it, yes, PVKY would be biased toward the KY team(s). BUT they wouldn't spend twice the time explaining why they lost a tournament as they would explaining why someone else won. It doesn't make any difference to anyone (that I know of) if Jesse Startup likes Florida teams. But when you're supposed to be an "objective" reporter, it gets a little annoying to have such a huge bias. I think almost all the staff have either professed a bias or excused one, (I might be wrong) but is bq.net just a bunch of individuals? Or is it supposed to be objective? I'm getting off the subject, but the point is if you want to write an article about why FL lost, then write it. If you're writing about the placers, then give everyone their fair share. And it is just me or do people usually give most credit to the 1, 2, 3?
get a life	posted 1/13/06 4:46 AM     yeah i agree.if fbccf got second it wouldt be so bad but they got fourth. which means three other teams beat them. surely if they had it in the palm of there hand they could have beat one other team,
Princess	posted 1/13/06 2:18 PM     Yeah, i agree with "get a life". But is this conversation about whether or not FBCCF should have won or about bias's? Or both cause in the case that its about bias's then i agree with Pondering. I mean people are allowed to be bias. Think about it, aren't all of us bias towards at least one team? I mean would we be on here if we weren't?
sister of no-name	posted 1/13/06 2:59 PM     It doesn't bother me when people are bias toward other teams. As a quizzer, I am! But it does bother me when somebody loses and makes excuses as to why they lost. I have plenty of excuses as to why my team lost, but I don't voice them to everybody (well, I do voice the reason we lost to my team)! If FBCCF is so good (which they are), then they'll probably win or get in the top three next time.
Jesse Startup	posted 1/13/06 5:33 PM       Hmm...interesting responses. I do not mean to offend anybody with this post, but I can see that you are all under the impression that my reporting skills need a tune-up. So, according to you, I should A) provide no commentary or very little commentary regarding any teams outside of the top three, B) ignore all past records (whether it be last year's season or even earlier that same day) in favor of only reporting the final outcome, and C)shaft the final three teams out of the dap that is due them for beating out one of the best teams (THE best, last year) in the country. Do you all understand WHY I alloted three paragraphs to FBC-CF? You could say that they are my personal favorite, which would be correct, but that is not the reason I spent a little extra time going over them. The reason is because they were the most perplexing. Winning every quiz, and then losing twice to them they had beaten earlier? And after hearing that, what is the typical reaction? "Why?" I hoped to answer that question. And please do not see that as an excuse. I am not "excusing" FBC-CF for losing; they lost fairly, from what I believe was a combination of the other teams excelling and from self-destruction. Now, if you still have something to say, please say it to me direcly, and I don't wish to make enemies, but I stand by what I wrote and I am prepared to defend it.
david poston	posted 1/13/06 6:02 PM     Jesse, what you wrote was incredibly accurate. FBC-CF was the best team in the round robin and most of the afternoon. It was amazing that they ended up losing out to two other teams who had a loss when they started with none. I think you wrote an accurate article. I also believe that had another team experienced the same situation, you would have spent the same amount of time as you did on FBC-CF. Noone should have a problem with your article. If I were you, I would quit defending it. There's no need to! It defends itself. Disclaimer: I am not from Florida and get sick of all the times I have to hear about all the "great" florida teams from guys like Startup and West. IMO, this wasn't one of those times.
Athens Quizzer	posted 1/13/06 7:13 PM     I agree with Poston. If anybody has an issue with your article then that'a their problem! Most people know your intentions were good when you wrote it anyway.
Princess	posted 1/13/06 9:20 PM     I agree with Poston and Athens Quizzer. I don't think Jesse did anything wrong at all. And he does have a very good point, FBCCF didn't lose all morning, so, why did they lose? Its a very good question that i think is ok answering. And no im not from FBCCF, but a reporter is suppose to give at least a little bit of their opinion in their article otherwise it would be boring to read.
Thumper	posted 1/15/06 1:31 AM     I think jesse did a great job reporting! I thought his articles were kindav neat. and I don't blaim him for being amazed about FBCCF because I know I was !
An honest observer	posted 1/19/06 1:47 PM     Because I was there, and because I saw it all, and because I have read it all - I answer. PVKY was absolutley the most 'dominating' team at this Quiz. Follow this reporting: 15 High wins, 2 Middle wins, and 1 loss (a hurried 5 minute supper sometimes does that to kids). They averaged a high win score 229 points, and usually outscored their opponents handily. They took a middle win when they wanted one, and had to settle for a high win when seeking a middle (go figure). Josh Voyles was a huge part of a team that was not just a 2 person team - he answered 42 questions and was 86% correct for the entire day. Numbers don't lie, deceive, or play favorites. I gotta disagree with Jesse...PVKY dominated all day.
no-name	posted 1/19/06 3:29 PM     Well, you seem to put the knive to the throat of the ones who you seek to praise: if numbers "never lie," then FBCCF did dominate. Until "final four," they had high winned every quiz but one, they lost by ten to recieve a middle win (with no lows). Abby got 1st place quizzer award as usual, and Praise quizzed and placed excellent too. The final quizzes were simply an upset for FBCCF, PVKY won fair and square, but if FBCCF would have been as good as they usually are (and where in the round robin), every team in the finals would have got smoked.
david poston	posted 1/19/06 3:57 PM     Yeah, honest observer, you are off. FBC-CF's numbers were better before the Finals than PVKY. That is what Jesse's point was. PVKY won when it mattered. That's what counts. Let it die.
david poston	posted 1/19/06 4:09 PM     also,check the rankings from bqer.net that we just published. There are 4 first place votes in that poll. They all went to PVKY. There is no doubt who the best team is right now! (fyi-Startup votes in that poll)
Wanting to know	posted 1/19/06 7:26 PM     I can't believe that one question started all this. My point was not to impune Mr. Startup's article. I think that he does an excellent job writing the articles and I enjoy reading them. My point was that no matter what team wins, they deserve the credit for the win. PVKY, Valley, Old Paths, and Florida, all performed admirably, and any of them could have won the whole thing.If Mr. Startup was offended by the question, I am deeply sorry for that,but I was only asking the Question, which he answered in his last post. Thank you. One other thing, I thought that Florida had two middle wins, could someone please verify one way or the other, thanks.
redneck	posted 1/20/06 5:23 PM     FBCCF is good, but they are not as good as they think they are. They did dominate in the morning at Athens. But they will not do that again.
An honest observer	posted 1/20/06 5:37 PM     I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone either...I just disagree with the idea that PVKY is a mostly two person team, and that they weren't considered the dominating team. If FBCCF quizzed 18 times (as PVKY did), then they had to had a record of 14-2-2 because they had 2 middles and 2 losses - they're a hard team to beat, that's for sure. They were not 'dominating' because that adjective leads one to believe that no other team was close to competing with them.
david poston	posted 1/20/06 9:44 PM     That's a good point. I would say that they were dominating in the morning. But in the same breath, I would say that PVKY was also dominating. So if you believe that "dominating" can only be prescribed to one team in a field of 30 then I would have to choose. But there is one thing I will certainly agree with you on. PVKY is no two quizzer team. I did not cover the finals closely. I was in the building but was interviewing different people. But the quizzes I saw in the morning and afternoon, Voyles was your second best quizzer. Clutch would be the word I would use for Autumn as she got that last question right!
puma	posted 1/20/06 9:47 PM     if I'm not mistaken, FBCCF did 'dominate' in the round robin and the early elimination rounds. Now that's not to say I think they were the best team there. But leading up to the two quizzes in which they got a their ONLY losses of the day, FBCCF had a high in every quiz with the exception of one which was a middle. Not to mention FBCCF gave some great teams their first loss during the elimination rounds. Teams like Woodside, Vally, PVKY, and Old Paths. So I would heartily agree they're not close to being the best team, but I don't think they are out of the picture just yet.
Pa	posted 1/22/06 6:15 PM     Valley and PVKY gave Old Paths their first and second low.
puma	posted 1/22/06 9:29 PM     sorry about my error. I was confused about the quiz between PVKY, FBCCF, and Old Paths.
Jesse Startup	posted 1/23/06 3:03 AM       I think some people have mistaken me for saying that PVKY was a two person team. Saying that Aaron and Autumn were both essential to getting to the final four would not be untrue. I watched PVKY all afternoon and I saw how much Aaron and Autumn both contributed, as Number One and Number Two respectively. Now, their Number Three, in my opinion, was responsible for pushing PVKY over the top and making them the best team there, no doubt about it. Number One took them to competitive status, Number Two took them to the Final Four, Number Three took them to the end. Without any of those three, PVKY would've had to push really, really hard to do well.
An honest observer	posted 1/23/06 6:42 PM     You are correct, Jesse. That's an overview that I can agree with you on wholeheartedly. We get to try and replace Josh Voyles next year:( BTW, you were the quizmaster for one the quizzes that I observed, and I thought you were one of the best that I saw.
Thumper	posted 1/24/06 8:36 PM     I missed who Number three was.
redneck	posted 1/24/06 9:14 PM     #3 was Old Paths
david poston	posted 1/24/06 10:06 PM     if you mean number three team it was Old Paths, but if you mean who they are referring to as #3 for PVKY it is Josh Voyles. If you don't know who that is, it is the main quizzer for Pleasant View who isn't a Wells.
Fire	posted 1/26/06 10:44 PM     It's strange how vehement the Board has become since I last posted, not that it wasn't before :) But, hey, the season's first major tournament has occurred, and almost three weeks later we're still buzzing! I'd be blimed if I didn't have my two cents': First of all, Princess, your remark about "conceding" and bad sportsmanship. Who exactly was displaying this unwillingness to "concede"? Surely not FBCCF! Jesse? He's not part of FBCCF. As for "get a life"'s Top Three comment, Jesse's right. A horrible performance by one of the best teams in the nation is worth a commentary, no matter where they eventually place (4th, in this case). Last year, there was buzz about Old Paths placing 4th at nationals. Nobody complained about THAT. And "sister of no-name", I think you need to evaluate the difference betweem "voicing excuses" and "giving possible reasons": Jesse is not making excuses for FBCCF. Jesse is not part of FBCCF. As a Bible Quiz reporter, he is simply GIVING POSSIBLE REASONS for the downfall of FBCCF. I know, I know, David Poston, I'm defending an article that defends itself. But I'm glad to turn up in support of Jesse. He's a great correspondent, though biased toward a faltering team. I myself am overjoyed that Kentucky won, but I consider it unjust, "redneck", to imply that FBCCF thinks too highly of itself. Don't get too personal. FBCCF is a great competitor, but... GO KENTUCKY!!!
Princess	posted 1/27/06 1:33 PM     Ok Fire, what since you've been out of the loop do you suddenly feel the need to critque everyone on their comments? Who do you think you are? What i meant by conceding, was that appearantly some of FBCCF were making excuses for losing Athens. And all i was saying was that they just needed to let it go. I wasn't trying to be rude.
Thumper	posted 1/27/06 8:16 PM     Fire, do u have somthing against people posting their oppinions? :)
Jade	posted 1/27/06 9:25 PM     No but you and Princess sure do! He was just expressing opinions contrary to yours- it's ok! No one will agree with you on everything. Obviously Fire disagrees with a lot of people. That doesn't mean he's wrong, or judgmental, or cutting, or insulting, or anything else. It just means Fire is a person. I guess I'll just say this now- I'm not accusing anyone but I think that we would all get along better if we just say what we think, not what we think about what everyone else thinks. If you have a question then ask it but I think we're getting a little too ready to criticize and cut each other about little things. We are upholding a testimony even if no one knows who we are. Be careful! (Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt........)
Princess	posted 1/27/06 10:13 PM     Good point. I wasn't tryin to be agurmentive.
Fire	posted 1/28/06 2:44 AM     Believe it or not, I like disagreements! Imagine the Board without them: "This is what I think." "I agree!" "So do I!" "Well said!" Lame, and pretty boring as well. When people say that the board is getting monotonous, it's usually because there have been no topics that are controversial, or, at least, merit... LIVELY debate and discussion. But I appreciate what you're saying, Jade. Encouraging others' spirits IS more important than encouraging them to think (how you consider) "rightly".
Princess	posted 1/28/06 4:38 AM     Fire, even though i didn't agree with you on your last post, I do agree with you now. But if you want i can disagree with you just to make things interesting. :) But i also agree with Jade.
Jade	posted 1/28/06 7:43 PM     Good observation, Fire. I agree. Well said! :)

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