Author	Topic:   Getting results quickly
Marcus	posted 9/23/04 8:41 PM       ive just started training about 5 days ago and im using a multi gym that my dad has in the garage. im just wandering if there is any supplements that i could take that would boost my muscle mass. i am just interested in beafing myself up. i am only 117, will this make a difference??
jeff	posted 9/25/04 3:35 PM     hey budy yea i would say u should buy some wieght gianer you can get it at most health food stores and its safe! also try eating every 3 hours! you have to eat alot! and eat things that are high in protine your 117 so you should be geting atleast 117g of protine a day of more! protine is the key to gaining muscle also it helps to know what you are doing when you work out. i know alot of my friends think they know what they are doing in the gym but i havent seen them gain an inch since they have been working out. u should try to read up on gaining wieght and size go to web sites and read up on wieght gianing and working out thats what i did and it helped me.
chris	posted 11/6/04 5:44 AM     jeff you might wanna know how to spell protein before you start tellin people to use it
jeff	posted 11/23/04 11:54 PM     hey budy dont talk to me about my spelling. i bodybuild i dont teach english so shut ur mouth. i know alot about this as somone who went from 150 to 180 of solid muscle in a year so shut up and go to a nerd site or some shit were u can tell people how to spell since it seems that u like doing that so much.
Hardgainer	posted 11/28/04 5:27 AM       If you want to take supplements...well the first and most important thing is a good protein powder...get one that has more then 1 protein in it, there are some that have fast and slow release proteins in them, they are best. Creatine is also another good supplement. Other then that make sure eat as soon as you finish training because when you go and work out the first thing your muscles do is eat each other so you need to fuel yourself with protein so they can get bigger. if your really serious about gaining muscle then you should eat about 6 meals a day, low carbs high protein. The best foods for a bodybuilder are: Steak, Eggs, Chicken, Fish: Tuna. Any fresh Meat or Poultry products are best. The only other thing then that to tell you is anyone who is serious about something will research it themselves & learn all the theory, Goodluck.
Newbie	posted 12/27/04 9:39 AM     Hardgainer, u mentioned abt doing some reading up n research. Any good URL on bodybuilding to recommend. Doing a general search produces so many websites but not informative. Many thanx
Newbie	posted 12/27/04 9:39 AM     Hardgainer, u mentioned abt doing some reading up n research. Any good URL on bodybuilding to recommend. Doing a general search produces so many websites but not informative. Many thanx
Ez-c	posted 12/28/04 1:35 AM       Take a weight gainer of course, but make sure you eat often, high protein and high carbs, as well as healthy fats such as flaxseed oil. Also try bromelain. Take a pill before every meal (It's the enzyme in pineapple, that's why Lee Haney used to eat so much pineapple) its cheap too. a good website is bodybuilding.com, although if any of the workouts or dites sound extreme they are usually meant for people on steroids. Good luck man, "no pain no gain"
Ez-c	posted 12/28/04 1:36 AM       Take a weight gainer of course, but make sure you eat often, high protein and high carbs, as well as healthy fats such as flaxseed oil. Also try bromelain. Take a pill before every meal (It's the enzyme in pineapple, that's why Lee Haney used to eat so much pineapple) its cheap too. a good website is bodybuilding.com, although if any of the workouts or dites sound extreme they are usually meant for people on steroids. Good luck man, "no pain no gain"
GrK8o1	posted 1/6/05 6:23 AM     just listen to what ppl haf to say oh an 1 thing i do no is u haf to get enuf sleep plus eatin, im 14 an i haf been trainin scince d age of 12 i wigh curently 84kgs an i am not fat so treating the body the right way can do plenty pless doin a wide range of excercise i mostly prefer exercises dat mix a lot of the muscles groups together a good site to try is: abcbodybiulding.com
T-Bone	posted 1/7/05 11:27 PM       Okay, supplements. There are only a few you should NOT go without. They are Ultra 40, UltraSize and Mass Aminos made by Beverly Intl. (see links or use the one I pasted below) The crap you buy in a healthfood store is a gamble, do some research on Beverly and you'll see. They also will put together a custom plan for you to reach your goals, there's a form on their page. BTW- all their stuff guarantees results and the personal help is FREE! http://www.bodybuildingworld.com/About.html The REAL Best Supplement Company
matt	posted 1/23/05 9:26 PM       hi im 6ft 2 n weigh in at 145pounds n i cant gain weight 4 shit i smoke aswell but tryin quite anyone got any tips how to gain wigh quickly without buyin products i tried mega mass 4000 but it was wank didnt do nuffin cheers
SlickSquirl21	posted 1/31/05 1:19 AM       Hey Matt your 6'2" huh. That's my height, I started lifting weights when I was 16, now 23, started at a bodyweight of 125lbs, now am 195lbs, thats 7 years of training an average of 10 lbs a year for a guy with a fast metabolism. You want to know the secret to gaining weight...It takes a long time, so EAT EVERYTHING. At a height of 6'2" you have to eat well over 5000 calories a day, also it sounds like you have a fast metabolism, like myself. My advice is to be lazy, eat and get your regular training in. Remember the more you move, the more calories you burn. So what if you gain a little fat, while you get bigger, in the end, you can diet and look a lot better. So, eat and eat lots. One other thing, do not do cardio, or you'll just have to eat more.
SlickSquirl21	posted 1/31/05 1:24 AM       And for all you guys who think, hey who is he to talk about gaining weight and who cares if you gain fat while getting bigger. I'm 6'2" and weigh 195lbs at 6% Bodyfat, I've travelled the journey, I know what I'm talking about.
Mike Simms	posted 2/3/05 0:21 AM       Hardcore Bodybuilder
Mike Simms	posted 2/3/05 0:26 AM       I am a hardcore bodybuilder and I have been training for 3 years and gained 30 pounds of muscle in that time and I have a hard time gaining weight. A new guy at the gym has that started out smaller than me three or 4 months ago and now he is bigger than me. He said he is using the freaky growth system. Has anyboyd heard of this program and where can I get it. This guy wouldn't tell me.
firetech	posted 2/19/05 7:45 PM     in addition to everything else being said, you need to go by your body type as weather to go with lowcarb or high carb intake,in otherwords are you an easy gainer or hard gainer, good luck
Bob_da_Builder	posted 2/26/05 5:24 AM     I think your all pansy ace mofo's. You all suck and will never get the best results because your gay. Give up all you mama's boys. Suck on that!!!!!!!!!!
tim	posted 5/11/05 6:35 PM       Mike Simms : The freaky growth system i think you are talking about is made by Wade McNutt. Here is the site http://www.freakygrowth.com/ Wade McNutt
Chris	posted 5/24/05 4:03 AM     Hey guys, I have heard about the freaky growth program and I really would like to know if this is a good program. I'm 18 and a bodybuilder and I'm always lookin for neww ways to become bigger and stronger. Thanks.
jeff	posted 6/4/05 7:17 PM     just eat alot of high quality protine and work your ass off!!!! nothing happens over night. it takes sacrifice to become big! eating right, eating offten,working out alomost every day, and geting alot of sleep. go on the net and surch as much as u can on bodybuilding and nutrtion! it just takes time.
jack	posted 6/22/05 9:39 AM     tim do u no if this freaky big stuff is for real i want to buy it but i dont want to get doged off
superman	posted 7/29/05 1:33 PM     hey marcus. i know this is a late reply. but in actually fact eating is the key to putting on mass. most supplements go in but you end up p*ssing half of it out. if you say your just started training, i suggest you go on a good eating plan.
matarazzo	posted 8/6/05 1:43 AM     i bought the freaky growth system, and in 2 months i put on 20lbs of muscle.
Dean	posted 8/11/05 7:32 AM     Mike Simms, You getting a big hounding in the body building forum mate. Always trying 2 advertise freakygrowth.com 22/2/2005 you say how much u grew in suck a short time. Someone came in and said u posted the smae (spam) 2 yrs b4 that. You mention the site again and you knew about Wade in India comps in 1997, Today ur plugging it again like u know nothing about the freaky growth? Im not sure how ur making money out of this but it must be worth ur while. maybe we should all become affiliates. Hey why dont u show us some fotos of ur so called massive gains..... Do't try 2 suck ppl in. its not nice.
ironopia	posted 9/2/05 1:10 PM     i here people like jeff advise training every day and it makes me laugh! training is simply the stimulus we use to force the body to make an adaptation, that adaptation occurs in the rest periods between workouts 24hrs is not sufficient for any hardtraining individual who isn't taking performance enhancing drugs.The best advice for putting on weight would be to eat and eat lots,forget supplements,train to momentary muscular fatigue (when you can no longer perform a repetition in strict form)limit your exercises to 1 per bodypart and limit your sets to 1 per exercise -intensity of effort drives physical adaptation not duration of effort, if you train hard you can't train long (you could sprint for 100metres but you couldn't sprint for miles,if duration of exercise was the key stimulus long distance runners would have huge legs not sprinters).Let your strength be your guide with your training-every time you train you should be stronger than you were before if not adaptation hasn't taken place,rest more and train only once or twice a week.study the writing of arthur jones,doug Mcguff, drew baye,ken hutchins etc ignore people who state they've been training for years and know what theyre talking about-intelligence isn't measured in time -people can be stupid all theyre lives,and if they use such statements to back up what they say they usually are,question everything! http://www.ultimate-exercise.com read the dose-response relationship of exercise article here,also recovery and the superslow article.the whole site is brilliantly written but use these articles as starting points.
mitchell	posted 10/11/05 0:23 AM     well Jeff told him the same thing you said just in shorter form dum ass lol dont act like a pro cuz ur not lol its simple like jeff said eat! working out is only 20% of it the other 80 is nutrition! make sure u know what ur doing! u just have to go on google and read and when ur at the gym talk to the big guys!
yung gun	posted 11/15/05 2:52 AM     hey slick squirl 21 im 15 5'5 n bout 110 lbs i eat and do nothing i have an extremely fast metabolism i seak snaks during class i want to get muscle but dnt kno wat to do i excercise 3 times a week n e advice/
Devin	posted 11/17/05 8:45 PM       yah iv herd all 3 audio seminar's from freakygrowth.com but i cant figure out how to by the program info. any 1 know more about it?
Meat-Axe	posted 12/13/05 11:31 AM     The freaky big program can be bought from http://www.freakygrowth.com/muscles.html. In my opinion, you don't need to follow some special program to get big. Getting big is a simple process, just damn hard work. You don't need to take special suplaments, not even protein powder. Eat plenty of wholesome foods, fresh fruit and veg. Eat plenty of eggs and take desiccated liver tablets (these are like a natural steroid). Train hard, rest at least 8 hours a night. If you were interested in buying any books, the only thing i would recommend are the books by Pavel which can be purchased on www.dragondoor.com. Go to the strength tab and see what he has to offer. The only other book i would recommend is Burn The Fat Feed The Muscle by Tom Venuto. It can be purchased on http://www.burnthefat.com/ as Pavel does not discuss diet. I fully recommend that you look at these two sights before considering purchasing any other books. I could rant and rave for hours, but i better leave it at that tonight. Hope this helps.
devin	posted 12/13/05 7:20 PM     yah my training routine is fine im only 17 and weigh 184 and i can bench 285 and squat 415 i know what im doing but i was jus wonderin about the freaky growth system because all i hear is how some people gained 15-20 pounds of muscle mass from it....
Daredevil	posted 12/25/05 7:11 AM     If this system really works wonders as the author claims. ie. - you can gain 10... 20 pounds of muscle in 1 months etc. Than why didn't it work for him? I've seen his picture, and didn't see anything impressive on it. I don't mean to disrespect him, but my 3 year old son has more muscle. I would not waste my money on that so call system.
dixie	posted 4/2/06 4:34 PM       ive been weigtht training for the past 2 years, it was hard at first to get results you know, but im just sticking to heavy weights high reps and im getting ok results, my diet is good by drinking a shake after i train along with loads of tuna bananas and as much fruit as possible and drinking water too, but i seen the freakymuscle site, thought id give it a go, so im waiting to get started with it, has anyone ever used this before, please let me know pls, thanks....
Curtis	posted 4/30/06 8:50 PM     I listened to the mp3s on his website and warning bells went off when I heard that loud, excited, "anthony robbins" rip-off sales man voice(ie:"People cant BELIEVE what its doing for them.....Its JUST INCREDIBLE......If you ONLY KNEW THE GAINS".....) Thats such an insult in and of itself...I hate that shit. Lay off the caffeine dude. Only unintelligent morons get sucked in by someone who talks and sells to you with that kind of tonality. As a poster boy for hardgainers, 6-4 and starting out at 160 pounds....the only thing that worked were basic exercises, lots of rest and TONS of friggin food. And I mean TONS. Ive started to slack recently with the diet area and Ive lost tons of size and strength. At 25, my metabolism is still off the charts and I probably need some 5000+ calories a day to get anywhere. Buy Stuart McRoberts Beyond Brawn book, the best and Only source for realistic training for size.
nick	posted 7/17/06 7:02 PM     the freaky big natural program really does work..i bought it and in just the first 3 weeks i gained 12lbs of muscle and lost 10lbs of fat it really does work, and wade mcnutt is a pretty big guy. he believes that some bodybuilders are too big which is why hes not as big as ronnie coleman
Wrangler	posted 11/29/06 11:16 PM       Nick, please post pics of your results either in here with a url or something or email me them at wranglerg@hotmail.com before, during, and after pictures please
r	posted 2/9/07 10:09 PM     Hey good protien drink I found on uk nutrition site: 6 tablespoons of powdered skimmed milk plus pint of skimmed milk gives 50 grams of protien, i take in the morning and straight after work out. I dont have much cash so this is good alternative for me to protien drinks. Also, I use cheap multivitamins. It has worked for me, I went from 11.5 stone curling 10kg to 16.5 stone curling 46kg (barbell)in 2 years
nano	posted 2/13/07 6:41 PM     i have just started to do weights ,i would like to know how to loose fat and gain muscles and what supplements to use
E=nzyme	posted 3/15/07 4:25 AM
E=nzyme	posted 3/15/07 4:27 AM       Hi Guys I have personally tried the Freaky Big Natural System, and let me just say that Wade McNutt and www.freakybignatural.com, have really helped me and my training life. I have really improved my overall ability to gain muscle. I'm a vegetarian, and I know what the general report is around that in the bodybuilding community but seriously, I go out of my way to dig under every rock and piece of information that will really help me. Wade McNutt helped me to become bigger and stronger than I hever have, I can only praise the man, check it out, it worked for me, and I'm pretty sure if it doesn't you can even get your money back, www.freakybignatural.com, http://www.freakybignatural.com Wade McNutt, Build muscle with Freaky Big Natural
Change-ling	posted 7/2/07 2:50 PM     Ay guys!! don't believe this hype about "Freaky Big Naturally." It's a "freaky blatant" marketing scam and I learned that first-hand! All these guys talking positively about it are all "McNutt's" marketers at work!!! Take Ironopia for his word! I totally agree with this cat. All you newbies to the game need to just do your homework!! Peace!
_SHAKEDOWN_	posted 7/2/07 2:59 PM     Here's a little SHAKEDOWN on the whole "Freaky Big Naturally" system: When you first arrive at the sales letter page you are “invited” to enter your name and email address. A few emails will follow, each to urge you to download for “fr.ee” a series of interviews. The author of the “system” and the person, being interviewed is the Canadian natural bodybuilder Wade McNutt. In these interviews he talks about a breakthrough in the natural bodybuilding that he has discovered. In short, these talks are designed to lure you to buy his program, for which you pay $97. What you get for almost a hundred bucks is a binder, four CD’s, and several single-sheet reports. One of the reports (as far as I remember) was about how to gain 25lb by starving yourself for several months and then eating over 10,000! Cal a day for nine days!! Another had recipes for protein shakes with hemp protein and enzyme formula, which the author distributes. There were a couple more sheets that I don’t even remember for what they were. The CD’s were supposed to be four – two in a case, two cases. When finally mailed to me, I got four CD’s but they were the same pair twice. I emailed the author (I should say “authors” because Wade has a partner – a kinesiologist) he replied that I need to mail back the extra CD’s and when they get them they will mail me the other pair that I didn’t have. Well, I mailed them and now, after almost a year and a few reminder-emails I still haven’t gotten the ones I don’t have. The ones that I got though were worth listening. They were inspirational. And how could it be different – Wade is a great sales person. And the job of a sales person is to get you excited, to make you act on emotions. The binder I would divide in two parts. Part one – basic information on bodybuilding techniques and nutrition, intermingled with motivational talk. Par two consists of four 4-week “foundation” training routines, designed to “prime” your body for the real “Freaky Big Naturally System”. At the end of the binder it becomes obvious that you have to become a member of another web site of theirs – the “Freaky Insider Club” - where you will be couched, or you will find the “secret” routine (I’m still not sure which of the two). As far as I remember the membership for this web site was between $150-200 a year. In the meantime you will be bombarded with emails, urging you to purchase (FROM THEM) your “share” of the “newest and almost sold out” batch of hemp protein or digestive enzymes. Another series of emails will still prompt you to become a member of the “Insider Club” As you can guess I never became a member. The disappointment from what I got for almost a hundred dollars plus the fact that they even failed to keep their part of the deal, and send me the other pair of CD’s, were more then enough to make me run fast. WORKS CITED: http://www.ivannikolov.com/not-recommended/dislikes/freaky-big-system-review.html
Alex	posted 8/12/07 5:03 AM       Yo, I would like to talk about this freaky big naturally program. A friend of mine bought it and he persuaded me and my other friend to join him on his muscle building quest... They train because they want to grow, I train because I want strength and later on endurance. Got kinda dissappointed when they told me that they were doing growth training rather than training that would benefit my kung fu tranining... Anyway, We've done the first month which is 4 day a week training with 3 restdays. I haven't experienced that much growth, but my friends claim that they have. I do know though that I've increased my strength somewhat cause I managed to do 19 dips after Some supersets that totally pumped my muscle. That's a miracle for me since I weigh about 95kgs, and it's far from pure muscle. Wade talks a lot about "building up your nervous system" and that part of the program is something I can believe in since we've experienced the difference already. Allthough, it could also be as simple as that we've just become stronger because of training. Oh well, no matter, we've only done one month... I hear a lot of bad stuff about Wade, but since my friend purchased this stuff I guess I'll try it out. I'll try to update the progress on this forum. GL to all of you bodybuilders
Zach	posted 10/5/07 11:42 PM       Hey guys, I ahve been on the freaky growth training for more than 3 years. I have gained almost 50 pounds of muscle. I know that some of you all say it is just a bunch of bullshit advertising but the truth is that it might be bullshit advertising but once you get on the program and follow it step by step and word for word for atleast 6 months you will be amazed at how much your body changes. I NEVER TOOK ANY OF THE SUPPLEMENTS WADE SUGGESTEd FOR THE FIRST YEAR ALMOST. In that first year I gained 25 pounds. He preaches his program and follows his own program and I know that for a fact becuase I have talked to him on the phone and been in contact with Wade the whole time. TRY THE PROGRAM AND FOLLOW IT FOR ATLEAST 3 MONTHS AND FEEL AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE!! -Zach W.
Chris	posted 10/6/07 7:32 AM     The first program of Wade Mc Nutt I bought is called "Elite Exercise Performance". I had a look at the Freaky Big website before and thought that it looks like a scam. I does not even have an e-mail address so that you can get in touch with the people selling it before you pay for the product. Elite Exercise Performance was only half the price of FBN an is a collection of videos and mp3 of how to perform the most common exercies. The videos all contain tipps and hints from the authors wade mcnutt and matt gallant. You also get a pdf-workbook. Those products are worth ever penny I paid for them. You do get a lot of free videos on the internet of how to perform exercises but they are often of bad quality and don't include any comments. Obviously that program is targeted more at the novice in the gym. After I was so pleases with "Elite Exercise Performance" I also bought the FBN system. There is a post further up the website which gives you a rough idea about all the different stuff that comes with it. The first part of the book might be interesting for the beginner weight lifter but probably has little new information if you have already got some weight-lifting experience. The second part is the training protocolls. They are split body part routines and did give me some decent results. I did not add 25 pounds of muscle though. The nutritional information is quite short and basic in the fbn system. It tells you that you should take, hemp protein, enzymes, probiotics and some other stuff. Compared to most other bodybuilding programs the recommended supplements here seem to be less "building mass specific" but do help your overall health. There are one or two meal plans included. No recipes. From my point of view the program is quite dissappointing in that respect. After that came the freaky insider club. To sum it up: sound training routines and a private forum on the internet. The routines were given away for free when the club closed down. After the close-down of Freaky Insider Wade and Matt designed a program called Muscle Mastery. It was advertised as their last bodybuilding program ever. it should include everthing you ever need to know about weight-training etc. The price of 499,00 USD plus shipping which I believe is about 100 USD for international order was a bit too high for me so that I can't comment on the quality of those products. The package does include Elite Exercise Perfomance as well as the training routines from FBN and FI. Guess the dvds would be quite motivating. A week ago Wade and Matt started an ever newer coaching program called "The experiment". Must be their very last weigth-lifting program as Muscle Mastery was the last one. I feel like I am waiting for a flight, where there is alwayse, the last, the very last, the very last and final and the very last and very final boarding call. I am wondering what the very last and very final program for Wade and Matt will be. To sum it all up. Buying FBN these days would be a waste of money from my point of view. 100 bucks is just too high for what you get. By the way the forum that you would get access to are closed down as well. so you can only read old post and can't post new ones. Elite Exercise Performance I can recommend to anyone who is beginng with weight training. You get a good quality product for a very reasonable price. If you have got 500 USD spare, think about getting Muscle Mastery. It includes five DVD. Workout programs to get youthrough the next few years. Elite Exercie Performance plus a recipe book and some other stuff. Regards, Chris
stanley	posted 10/7/07 5:10 PM       I olso trean 3 years with the programs of wade and I can say they are one of the best.the new muscle mastery system is realy fantasic.
JonD	posted 10/8/07 1:37 PM       I agree with Chris and Stanley. I have been on the program and followed the development of it for 3 years. I take the Hemp protein and the Masszymes. I used to go to the gym 4 days a week when I was younger, then as family life got busy, the gym got cut from my schedule. In 2000, I made a commitment to get back in the gym and get rid of the bodyfat that I was carrying around. I didnt put it on in one year, so I didnt expect to burn it all off in that same amount of time. I tried several systems and achieved various results, but nothing that lasted because those programs were stagnant. The same routine month after month. I tried several suppliment programs, again with varying results, but everytime I cycled off a suppliment, I lost everything I gained. When I found FBN with Wade and Matt, I said I would give it a 2 year test to see what result I could achieve. The program had different phases to help with each goal I had. As I worked through the different phases and added the suppliments in order, Hemp protein first, then Masszymes, then other natural things, I saw progress and was making steady gains where before things were minimal. I purchased the Mastery Program in May 2007 and have had great success using that as well. I am better able to access my progress and select the part of the program that fits my goals and schedule. I can get personal coaching as needed through email and the webchat site with Wade, Matt and their team. The best part of the program for me is, it is not based on some conflicting magazine articles, or steroid-use. It is natural. I won't be fighting some degenerative diseases later in life caused by chemical abuses I made earlier.
Rochelle	posted 10/13/07 3:13 AM     The problem people have with the Freaky Big Natually system is that they don't actually apply all the principles - nutrition, recovery and training techniques. If they did, they would see amazing results as I have. I thought there was no hope for me then along came the FBN and its changed my life, inspired me and taught me A LOT of things I haven't seen anywhere else.
PJ	posted 11/6/07 10:07 PM       Hi all Wow. FBN has certainly got you all talking. There is nothing wrong with what he says and his training methods are sound, just remember each to their own. Not everything works for everyone. If anyone is on the system and is wanting Masszymes I have an unwanted order. Please contact me at jdp2k2@hotmail.com for more info. Best wishes.
the gravedigger	posted 12/3/07 8:37 PM     jeff i fink most of these amatuars r strugling 2 eat,dudes jeff hasnt got a clue what i found works really wel,every mornin do 60 press ups this wil help u gain muscle and help u eat alot more in the mornins raw eggs and plenty off them,eat 5 large meals thruout the day,hard wrkout 3 times a week,back and biceps 1 day,chest and triceps day 2 and day 3 do some legs and back inbetween them throw sum shoulders in,afta reach wrkout have a protien drink,prefferbally 50g.every nite b4 bed another 60 press ups.makes sure u stick to this daily routine u wil b suprised.good luck p.s jeff quit the reseach and do some pratical
Rik	posted 12/6/07 2:04 AM     A way to slow down your metabolism a little is by eating big and then sleeping right away - vice versa for increasing it. Make this your habit - especially right after training low, heavy reps and you'll gain weight a bit more easily.

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