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| Author | Topic: Crambs of Dunblane |
| David Cramb Wilson |
posted 1/13/04 6:20 AM
Hi Jan, I was just reading over your messge board, just thought I'd mention that the link you have to my site is an old link (the site has moved to someplace more reliable). I'd be much obliged if you could update it to either of these two; http://www.cramb.cjb.net http://mysite.freeserve.com/cramb/index.html Hope the new year finds you in good health, best regards! :-) http://mysite.freeserve.com/cramb/index.html Cramb of Dunblane |
| Arthur Cram |
posted 5/21/04 8:47 PM
Hi, I have researching the English and Scottish ancestry of the name Cram. My earliest ancestor can be traced to John Cram of Well in Alford, Lincolnshire, ca. 1540. I was interested in learning that the family De Welles (Wells), De Lindsay (Lindsay), De Balliol (Balliol), De Brus (Bruce), De Neville (Neville), De Rosselyn (Ross), St. Clair (Sinclair), etc (All Norman), owned land in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, England after the Norman invasion of 1066. By the time of Kind David of Scotland, these families also owned land in Scotland. Many intermarried with the ancient Scottish nobility. For example the family de Crambeth was related by marriage to the Balliol, Lindsay, Valognes, as well as the Gordon and MacDonald families (which is why Cram is now a sept of those clans). The Barony of Crambeth in the Cleish Hills of Kinross, Perthshire, and subsequently became Dowhill was the ancestral lands of the family De Crambeth. William De Crambeth was Bishop of Dunkeld and one of the Guardians of Scotland. The Crambeth lands became the property of the Lindsay familiy (De Lindsay) with whom the Crambeth family was married. The Lindsays came from Eresby, Lincolnshire which is less than 6km from Well where my earliest ancestor came from. I hope this information is as interesting to you as it is to me. There has been a dispute about the origins of our name, however. Barry Cram of England, Myself and others have decided to have DNA testing done through Oxford Ancestors. We have subsequently found out however that we can get a more thorough testing done for less money here in the states, and are considering doing that later this summer. My results should be coming back in about 5 or 6 weeks from now. Subsequent testing showed that neither Barry Cram, or two American Crams (whom I don't know personally -- but almost all of the American line go back to Lincolnshire), matched up with each other or with a representative of the Von Cram family in Germany. Barry has subsequently found that his DNA is a close match to the Lindsays. I would love it if we could find a Scottish Cramb or Cram who is willing to to the DNA testing with us. I am almost certain that it would show inconclusively that we are of the same heritage. Wishing you the best, sincerely, Arthur V. Cram. |
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